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iPhone 13 Pro review: a better display, the best camera, and incredible battery life - The Verge

iPhone 13 Pro review: a better display, the best camera, and incredible battery life - The Verge

123456osaka

Ideally USB C would be great, but the main thing I don't get is why Apple limits their connector to USB 2.0 speeds rather than update it to 3.0 even if the form factor had to still be lightning. USB C with 3.0 speeds is backwards compatible to USB C 2.0, surely they could do the same with the lightning port, no?


RainAndWind

yeah they made a whole lighting usb3 standard that is only supported on gen 2 of ipad pro. They just withhold it from iPhones lol. Probably because they think the connector is near its end since they put USB-C on ipads. But seeing them use lightning on the airpods pro max and without any Qi charging capabilities was kind of awful. 😬


dlittlefair1

The iPad Pro wasn’t usb 3 when it had lightning. It only went usb 3 when they changed it to C


agracadabara

The iPad Pro with lightning supported USB 3.0. Read the product description. Lightning to USB 3 Camera Adapter https://store.apple.com/xc/product/MK0W2AM/A


123456osaka

What the heck, so it already exists... what are they doing stalling it for the iphone then? Lol this makes no sense Apple.


UGMadness

They want to normalise using the iPhone exclusively with wireless data transfer protocols so they can eventually remove the port. It would be much harder to sell removing a high speed USB 3 port than a nearly useless 20MB/s one.


gruez

Are you sure? based on wikipedia it looks like there's only 4 signal lines for lightning, but usb-3 has 6.


agracadabara

USB 3.0 is 2 differential pairs for transmit and receive of super speed I/O. The other pair is for USB 2.0. Lightning has 2 lanes where each lane is a differential pair so if can easily support USB super speed signaling. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/11/apple-sneaks-a-usb-3-0-compatible-lightning-port-into-the-ipad-pro/


gruez

> USB 3.0 is 2 differential pairs for transmit and receive of super speed I/O. The other pair is for USB 2.0. that's weird. you'd think they use that pair for usb 3.0 as well. otherwise it's just wasted.


dlittlefair1

I did t know lightning supported usb 3 given it’s connection count. TIL!


UGMadness

It's even stupider now with the iPhone 13 because they've added ProRes recording support. There are no high speed options to actually get the thing out of the phone into a PC as even small clips are multi GB in size. You can either AirDrop the video file (with huge overheads even under ideal circumstances) or transfer it at USB 2.0 speeds.


AnimeAlt44

Seems pretty clear Apple wants to starve the cable's usefulness so people don't feel too bad when it's removed entirely.


senttoschool

Or that there is a huge ecosystem of existing Lightning accessories that if Apple were to switch to USBC, fewer people would buy the new iPhones because they can't use their existing accessories. So Apple has to slowly move everything to wireless, then one day switch to USBC or remove the port entirely. My guess is that Apple will switch to USB-C next year with a new form factor. Then 4-5 years later, remove the port entirely. It's still too early to remove ports and hopefully they've learned their lesson from the 2016 Macbook Pro dongle debacle.


OSUfan88

I agree, although I think it'll be 2 more years. I think next year will be a refresh of this year. I think they will get their mileage out of the new notch design.


senttoschool

Doubtful. There are already reports of Apple moving to an entirely new design. The iPhone 13 design is already 5 years old (starting with X). The iPhone 6 design lasted only 4 years.


OSUfan88

Sort of... The X, Xs, and 11 were all sort of the same. They had the rounded corners. The 12 and 13 have the flat edges. To me, it seems like Apple has gone to a new design every 3 years, instead of every 2 like they did with the 5, 5s - 6, 6s days. Could be wrong, but my money would be a fairly moderate design change, with a bigger one (like removing the notch) coming after.


senttoschool

I would not consider flat/rounded edges as generational. That seems silly. The generational part was the notch and the full-screen display.


OSUfan88

Eh. I think we're simply going to see smaller and smaller steps each time. At this point, a "generation" is a completely arbitrary concept. I'd classify everything from the 6, 6s, 7, and 8 as the same generation. We'll see. I just personally don't think we'll see any major changes next year. I think the jump from 11 to 12 will have been bigger than 13 to 14. We'll see. For example, have we ever seen a new screen introduced (added 120hz, and changed shape/more pixels due to new notch), then to be replaced the next year? I don't think so. I think every screen ever introduced has stayed around for at least 2 years, and usually 4 or so (with maybe slight tweaks to color accuracy/brightness).


DoughnoTD

They probably also like the profit from the MFi certs.


sweetname6969

> but the main thing I don't get is why Apple limits their connector to USB 2.0 speeds rather than update it to 3.0 even if the form factor had to still be lightning USB 3 requires more pins than USB 2 did. As a result, they would have to change lightning's form factor, so they just don't update any of it. And before you say 'they already connected it with USB C', they just left the extra pins blank


agracadabara

Lightning supports USB 3. Lightning to USB 3 Camera Adapter https://store.apple.com/xc/product/MK0W2AM/A


Emotional-Goat-7881

Because it's Apple and they need to have their branding


JtheNinja

They already made a lightning USB3 spec, and these devices include a Lightning > USB-C cable in the box. They just don’t wire it all up for whatever reason.


Emotional-Goat-7881

Because Apple


bosoxs202

What more can they do with this form factor? 120Hz was one of the last big points that they were missing.


2relevant

Notch removal, USB c, under screen finger print reader. I still thinks this was a big one.


OSUfan88

I actually think that the power button finger print reader is a better design, and already exists on the ipads. I think they could also further increase battery life, and make better speakers (they're already pretty good). Outside of what you've mentioned, it's hard to say what else they could do.


NoPolOnlyHappy

Allegedly, so you know usual grain of salt, the next generation is going to have touch id under the screen.


Justin_Herbert_1O

So basically an s21ultra...


ArtoriasXX

Yeah but then not an Android 🤡


youreblockingmyshot

I’ll be waiting for the finger reader to come back before I pick up a new phone. I liked that feature and there’s nothing wrong with my current phone pushing me to need a replacement.


Soythony_Boythano

Apple got rid of TouchID in the worst possible moment with everyone wearing masks that stop FaceID from working.


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HalfLife3IsHere

They introduced touchID back as a sidebutton for iPad Air during the pandemic, (and now iPad Mini has it too) though. It was literally the best moment to do the same with iPhones, as 2 options are just better than 1. There's even Android phones having it under the screen and works reasonably well, so there's no excuse for them to include it except for having more benefit margins.


HaloLegend98

I have under screen fingerprint reader and it's way better than not having it. It's not as consistent or fast as FaceID is today, but there are other trade offs. You can't fingerprint unlock in the rain or freezing cold with gloves. I personally can't justify >$500 for a cellphone.


No_Equal

It might not have been possible to integrate a second biometric unlocking method on "short" notice. SoCs have years of lead time and with how tightly coupled the biometrics and Secure Enclave in Apples chips are they might not have designed it in a way to accomodate for double the interfaces.


youreblockingmyshot

I just liked that I could put my wife’s finger in my phone and it was easier to just hand it off and have her look at something if it was locked. But yes the whole moving my mask to easily unlock it is a huge pain in public if I don’t want to enter the password.


Nice-Ragazzo

FaceID supports multiple people. You need to setup an alternate appearance in the settings.


hellothere_696969

Yeah but it’s not nearly as fast or efficient as Touch ID. Love how I’m getting downvoted for spitting a fact lmfao


Nicebutdimbo

You’ve used different Touch ID devices to the rest of us I think. I had the 6s, 7, iPad Air 2, iPad Pro 10.5 and it was always an effort to unlock them. No issue now with Face ID. If you have an apple watch it makes the whole mask thing a non issue too.


hellothere_696969

Yeah I guess, I have an iPhone 8 Plus and it’s miles faster then my fiancé’s iPhone 12s Face ID.


kyralfie

It's only when Apple re-introduces Touch ID that apple reviewers and fans will acknowledge Face IDs downsides.


anethma

TouchID is great if you're some office drone who also never washes or does hard work. If you sweat, wash your hands, bathe, have any kind of dirt on your hands, have a cut on your finger, or you know, the shit that happens to many of us day to day, TouchID is worthless. Not to mention the chunk of the country that has actual winter and requires hand coverings. Sorry just can't unlock your phone now. FaceID is so much better in nearly every way. The only thing these days that is any kind of real argument against it is the pandemic. FaceID really got fucked by masks for sure.


iopq

Except when I have both on my phone and never have to show my actual pin to people


No_Equal

Not in an official capacity and I don't think there has been any research done on if this usage degrades security.


Full_of_confusion

I found TouchID never worked well for me. I personally love Face ID and you can add your face with a mask as a secondary face and it works fine. Same thing for sunglasses.


nashty27

Don’t think this works. Mine just tells me that my face is obstructed when I try to set it up.


DemonBoyJr

Huh. Didn’t know you could add 2 faces.


Educational-Yam-8570

Yup TouchID is still the best, soon it’s either android phone with VoiceUnlock or Apple iPhone with VoiceID. NLP with ML is going to be leverage by identifying individual unique speech or vocal patterns and reducing environmental noise.


jerryfrz

Voice unlock lmao I'm not gonna speak up in the middle of a library or any quiet space just to unlock my phone, that shit is annoying


Educational-Yam-8570

Yeah lmao. Joke is when pin was the default peoples make jokes about fingerprint unlock. Then when face unlock was introduce peoples make fun of it. Smart peoples don’t use VoiceID in quiet place.


mlecz

There are plenty of other phones with fingerprint scanner


youreblockingmyshot

Not inside the environment I’ve got my money in.


mlecz

Then you will have to go with face id. Or bet that iphone 14?15?16? Will get touch id


youreblockingmyshot

Think it’s coming around in 2022-2023 which is fine because that’ll be the 5-6 year mark for my phone which is around where I like to get a new one.


Put_It_All_On_Blck

Which is why a lot of people have avoided buying Apple products in the first place. With Apple once you're in their ecosystem you accept what you are given because there are no other options. Android, Windows, Linux, hell even Windows Phone, all gave consumers an option on hardware manufacturers and access to third party app stores. Obviously the other platforms/ecosystems aren't perfect by a long shot, but with Apple you have to fully trust their vision and decisions, something I would personally never agree to with any company.


alc4pwned

It's also specifically why plenty of other people do choose Apple though. That ecosystem offers all kinds of seamless functionality between devices that you can't get anywhere else.


RHINO_Mk_II

And now you face the consequences of paying for entry to a walled garden. /shrug


youreblockingmyshot

I mean not having a Touch ID isn’t really that bad. My phone performs well and does everything I need it to and integrates perfectly with everything else I own without issue.


Sshhaarrkk

I wont use touch ever for my phone or face. Police can force you to unlock your phone. Where as a pin they can not.


Stingray88

Push the power button on an iPhone five times in quick succession and it will disable Touch ID and Face ID. Cops can't force you to anything at that point.


Sshhaarrkk

Thats saying you have time to do that or remember. If you like the ease of a finger print scanner thats fine, was just stating its issues with security.


Stingray88

It takes less than 2 seconds to push the button 5 times. If the cops take your phone away from you before you're able to do this, they don't need you at all at that point. With physical access to your phone, they will get in using third party tools if they wanted to. If you don't want to use biometrics that's fine... More power to you. But this police reasoning just doesn't hold up.


stevenseven2

If he cares that much he wouldn't be using and iPhone. Cellebrite literally makes tools that can extract all data from iPhones, which they themselves state on their site (with latest iOS variants). Their support for Android units is much worse however, with only a few flagship devices, and mostly only Samsung units. Whatever the reason (like widespread popularity of iPhones, as well as segmentation of Android units and models, and all the dedicated security chips of Samsung, Google, Qualcomm, Huawei, etc.) May be, that's how it actually is. This has also been demonstrated by an internal US government study 2 years back, where they tested various extraction tools on numerous devices. Even during the Hong Kong protests, the law enforcement there were able to extract data from demonstrators' iPhones with Cellebrite, but nothing whatsoever from Google Pixels or Huawei devices--much to the surprise of the demonstrators themselves. The myth of iPhones and their security needs to die. It's a successful PR campaign from the company, nothing more. I mean, they dropped releasing E2EE as an optional security method on iCloud per request from FBI, as it would make their job of accessing iCloud accounts. That's the definition of a backdoor. How much are you gonna bet the guy above will switch from an iPhone, vs. discovering that security is not that important after all, after reading this post? 😄


MasterShiftposter

iPhones are designed much more securely than Android phones. Android is swiss cheese. I hate Apple, and will never own an iThing. But you're living in clown world if you think their phones are less secure than anything running Android / AOSP. Yes, third parties offer tools to get in. No, they generally can't get into a off / locked iPhone if it's running the latest version of iOS. They will get in eventually, when they discover a vulnerability for that model and iOS version. Rarely, they have one ready to go in their back pocket that Apple isn't aware of. So if your phone is in the hands of the authorities, they'll get in at some point if they care enough. They need to get in in time for your trial, though. Tools for Android devices exist just the same, but there are far, far more Android device variations than there are iPhone variations. The vast majority of Android devices, including Pixel devices, are running old versions of Android with massive, unpatched vulnerabilities in them. You are right in saying that you can't trust Apple, and that they will bend over for the feds. iCloud? They LOVE turning that over. Data on your actual device? They'll act like they can't get in, but they obviously can. They act like they won't do it (unless ordered by a court and they can do it in secret) because they market their devices with "security" as a major selling point. If you have shit you want to hide, the first thing you need to do is never put it on a computer. The second thing you need to do, when you're too dumb to remember that first thing, is to encrypt it **in software** (because the hardware implementation **will** be vulnerable).


MasterShiftposter

If you're a target for this sort of thing, you'll be separated from your phone well before you can do that.


Stingray88

If they take it away from you they're getting into it without your fingerprints and face.


youreblockingmyshot

They can get into your phone anyway so it doesn’t matter if you elevate the barrier to entry. An honest cop won’t do get into your phone anyway unless they have proper permission, a dishonest one you won’t be able to keep out.


Sshhaarrkk

Local police dont have the tech to get into your phone, feds yes. The problem is there aren’t much honest cops left.


Borealisamis

Personally waiting for the non-notch screen. No reason to upgrade from a 12pro right now. S models in general have become moot the last couple of years. Hope they keep the current square design for model 14


DaBombDiggidy

tbh, there isn't much of a reason to update phones yearly anymore, let alone bi-yearly. Not enough innovation from year to year. Last went from a 7 to a 12 and the 7 was still working just fine, even still above the 80% battery downclock.


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PolyDipsoManiac

Three years, upgrading for the screen and battery life (and because my 64GB phone is full). Really wish I could’ve held out for the redesign, the X/XS are much more beautiful than the 12.


RegularCircumstances

God yes. 12 design was awesome for 20 seconds of nostalgia. I miss the XS. 5.8” too, perfect, lower clocks, etc


MumrikDK

There has *never* been much of a reason to upgrade phones yearly as a consumer.


epraider

I’d be pretty pissed if my year old top of the line phone *was* significantly outclassed yearly. It shouldn’t be. Yearly upgrades, and more and more recently, bi-yearly upgrades, are largely just for enthusiasts. And I’ve done it myself because of the iPhone Upgrade program just because I can, I’m not going to pretend I don’t like the newest shiny thing. But this is definitely one of the smaller year over year upgrades


Yearlaren

>But this is definitely one of the smaller year over year upgrades I'm pretty sure that some people find the 120Hz display to be a significant upgrade


epraider

It’s a nice upgrade, but I’m not really compelled to upgrade from my 12 Pro for it, which is my point. I love it on my monitors, but I don’t feel compelled to scroll Reddit at 120hz


mfanter

There’s an argument to be made for upgrading year to year being cheaper than a 2-4 year cycle. You can sell your phone and get a new one, plus you get to have full warranty, the best/newest battery/features.


alc4pwned

I’m trading in my 12 Pro Max. Normally I wouldn’t, but IMO the 120Hz display and battery improvements are worth $300 on top of the trade-in. Smaller notch and camera stuff isn’t bad either.


SuperSmashedBro

Only $100 on top of my trade-in for the 12 pro 128. It's a no brainer


doatdog

What trade in is this? In the UK to do the Apple trade in the 12 pro 128 is only worth £550


SuperSmashedBro

USA, Bestbuy is selling the phone for $100 off MSRP and giving me $800 for my trade-in


twomintclouds

Hmmm must just be because you have last years model. It’s only showing $460 trade in value for me with my 11 Pro 64gb.


Free_Mind

We get abysmal trade in prices it’s insulting tbh


alc4pwned

That's more than the $640 trade in value for the 12 pro 128 in the US after converting to be fair. I guess it's still a worse deal if you consider that the MSRP of the new phone is a lot higher in the UK after converting though.


aj0413

..wait really? I might have to do this then


vexargames

Unless your phone is broken don't waste your money on a new phone.


AnimeAlt44

Unless you live in America. Carriers are running stupidly good trade in deals for 5G phones as part of a coordinated marketing campaign.


shiroman99

I literally got $800 trade in offer from AT&T for my 3.5 year old Galaxy S9+. With my current phone's battery giving out, it's almost a no-brainer to upgrade right now


melonbear

Except those are all bill credits on overpriced plans. You're not really saving any money compared to buying the phone at full price on a cheap plan.


AnimeAlt44

While technically true, a lot of people (most people I know even who would be in the market for a new Pro tier iPhone) already pay for high data plans from major carriers. At which point if you are gonna stay then it’s free money.


twomintclouds

No? I have a 4 person unlimited Verizon plan, costs each of us $65 a month. This deal is getting me a 128gb 13 Pro Max for an extra $10 a month for 30 months. How exactly is trading my 11 Pro 64gb and $300 for a 128gb 13 Pro Max a bad deal on top of my plan? It’s not. It’s great. I wasn’t planning on changing plans ever anyways, so locking me into Verizon for two years is nothing.


melonbear

$65/person for unlimited is insane. You can get the same thing from Visible which is even owned by Verizon for $25/month. If you're paying ANOTHER $10/month, then you're paying $50 * 30 more which is $1500.


twomintclouds

Don’t those sub networks get down throttled in heavy congestion? I feel like you’re leaving out caveats. I will admit I haven’t heard of visible, but I tend to find those sub carriers suck ass. $65 a month for unlimited cell phone usage is perfectly fair to me. I’m always interested in paying less though if visible doesn’t suck.


melonbear

I've used wholly owned MVNOs (Cricket and Visible) and have had no issues. It's probably a very local thing whether or not they throttle. Visible is only $5 for your first month if you use a referral code, which you can find by googling around, so there's not much to lose trying it.


itsjust_khris

Definitely try it first, in my area it’s unusable.


dxmrobo

I've had Verizon 5g postpaid take 2min to download a 2mb file while prepaid from other carriers be faster. It just depends on location.


lifevicarious

I pay 30 for unlimited. But hey, for only $540 more a year, or 1350 over two and a half years you get a 1100 phone.


vexargames

Yes our 5G here is fake just ATT marketing bullshit, when they get caught they just bribe the government and pay fine. Also you are still wasting resources for something you might not need. We don't have an endless supply. Try to skip a few years. I broke myself of this, still rocking the Samsung S6, I will upgrade the battery here soon and change the OS to the non ATT version. Trying to make it last for 10 years. Need to break the cycle or they will keep giving customers something every year that is a little better instead of generational leaps every 5 years. It is a bad cycle but very profitable.


AnimeAlt44

Yeah if you can stretch your phone for a couple more years upgrading now is just excess consumerism and something to be avoided. But if it's a matter of this year or next then just taking the free money carriers will throw at you is the smart move. The kinds of promotions they are running right now is not the stuff you see every year.


vexargames

They are only doing that because people are getting smarter and not upgrading and going into debt to buy something they don't need when you give in to a "good deal" you are just extending the overall issue of waste in the name of profitability.


jerryfrz

Dude the S6's battery capacity is dogshit I don't know why you stick with it; at least get an S7.


vexargames

I do wish it was better, but not so bad if you manage it. The CPU is good. I turn off location, bt, wifi, and run it max bat mode lasts for days. Only turn on things I need when I need them. I manage it like a PC. The goal is to live with a choice and make it last as long as possible. I started using phones in the 90's and have had maybe 5 total? Motorola trek like phone, nokia, some sort of microsoft phone, iphone 3g, then this s6. I try to buy the best thing possible and make it last or in the case of the iphone I wanted to develop games and was developing games for it, same reason to get the s6 I needed a test platform for droid this was the best at the time. So if I upgrade the battery to a high capacity version can get a kit for like 40 bucks off Amazon, and get the open droid ROM I will have a modern phone for maybe another 4 years? Also i just dropped 1200 on 3080TI and 200 on a new PC case, and I might have to drop another 500 on water block to cool it. I can justify this "waste" because I use this hardware to make a living. If I needed a new phone to make a living off it then I would get a new phone in a heart beat. Sorry for the rambling reply.


jerryfrz

Yeah I get it, you got your priorities straight.


BrandNew098

This is literally what I needed to read. I’m just so bored I felt like Buying something


vexargames

its like doing any drug you get a short lived high off it. Try to fill your life with more excitement, do something requires great skill even if you aren't good at it so you have something to push yourself. If buying a phone is your solution to boredom you got bigger issues. Take up motorcycle racing or car racing or even go kart racing lots of fun, learn to play a music instrument, point is find something you love doing that you don't get bored of so you will have an endless life long journey perfecting that skill / hobby.


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eggimage

Single core performance is still highly important, particularly so in mobile. I seriously never understood how qualcomm’s CEO would ever make that kind of remarks saying single core didn’t matter, it’s plain ridiculous.


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Vince789

Luckily for us, Steve Mollenkopf has retired now Cristiano Amon is the new [CEO, he seems more ambitious acquiring NUVIA to try compete with Apple and Arm's CPUs, time will tell](https://www.anandtech.com/show/16803/cristiano-amon-takes-over-as-qualcomm-ceo-reiterates-focus-on-custom-cpus)


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Vince789

IMO it's hard to judge since before he would have been limited by the previous CEO He's not completely wrong, now days GPU, NPU/Neural Engine, ISP, DSP and other accelerators have become increasingly important Even Apple didn't improve CPU IPC this year, the extra 3B transistors went else where Let's see how the next few years go


diamond2156

Watch him change his tune when Nuvia makes a decent single core chip.


immutable-object

Edit: I was wrong, it was indeed Cristiano Amon who made this claim in December of 2018 in [his interview with Anandtech](https://www.anandtech.com/show/13703/talking-snapdragon-an-interview-with-cristano-amon-president-of-qualcomm). At the time he was president of Qualcomm. Qualcomm now has a different CEO, he can very easily sidestep the issue altogether because it was his predecessor who made that claim


RegularCircumstances

No that was indeed Amon.


immutable-object

I checked and you’re absolutely right, Amon said that in his interview with Anandtech in December of 2018 (!). It’s wild to me that he would make that claim while being ~40% and ~33% [slower](https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review/7) than the A12 in SPEC int and fp, respectively.


RegularCircumstances

I know man, it’s fucking nuts. Reminiscent of their attitude toward Windows laptops. People say ARM just hasn’t caught up or we *have to have Nuvia* — but even without Nuvia, an X2 on TSMC 5N @ 3.09GHZ probably hits a 1250 Geekbench 5 by recent leaks. And power wise? Should be nearly the same as the X1’s ideal parameters, about 3.4-4 watts at peak, which is lower than Apple’s for sure and… god forbid we discuss X86 cores. Throw 8 of them in and a beefed up Adreno + Modem, for laptops. 8500-9000 GB5 in about 20-24 total watts. I promise you even AMD’s SOC’s don’t hit anything close under similar power constraints. It’s just amazing Qualcomm was so lazy about this. On the other hand, it was only one comment and the single-core performance point is likely him downplaying things considering they bought Nuvia — you don’t buy Nuvia if you’re just concerned about multi core processing (easy as hell to beat Apple on for phones given even the X1’s size and performance per watt, or the A78’s absurdly small area and power profile - just build a 2X6X4 device with the 8 big and mediums sporting good cache.) And with Graphics, Adreno only recently began to lose anyways and could change again, DSP/Modem/networking tech is arguably best-in-class. Instead one acquires Nuvia for the IP and sheer cognitive horsepower, because you want to excel on the fundamentals instead of slouching along for the 5G modem, Bluetooth chip or patent ride. Probably Google’s choice to abandon Qualcomm, their poor Windows offerings that predated the M1 and yet are utterly pathetic in comparison — and lastly, Mediatek’s rise in the midrange — had certainly sealed Qualcomm’s deduction to go for the gold and shell out for Nuvia. Doesn’t help that Intel are doing car SOC shit too. So in about 2 years should see at least some lead on Samsung and Google for ST performance and efficiency if they’re serious, which it seems like they are and have to be.


42177130

Don't forget a Qualcomm VP said this at the [launch of the Snapdragon 888](https://youtu.be/XvvtrKg7Xuk?t=940): >The Snapdragon DNA is really built on sustained performance. It is not about the type of graphics performance that can win synthetic benchmarks. It is about the ability to render games at the highest performance level and holding those levels over a sustained period of time. Our competitors across different OSes sometimes claim the highest marks during the very first few minutes but drop off very quickly which means they cannot sustain the performance. In other words, that performance is not usable. And then it turned out the Snapdragon 888 consumed [more power](https://www.anandtech.com/show/16463/snapdragon-888-vs-exynos-2100-galaxy-s21-ultra/6) at peak than the A14 did and throttled while performing worse 🤣.


diamond2156

Trust benchmarks won’t matter for phones for most people but do they for desktops/laptops for the majority of the tech and creative community. M1X MacBook will be interesting.


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diamond2156

Yeah now also A Series chips also give indication of future Mac chips. So at least for iPhones they give a meaningful outlook for Mac chips.


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diamond2156

Looks like the Apple Sillicon Mac Pro might be your Mac. I still expect the MacBooks to beasts on battery and on adapter. It most likely won’t exceed 100watts for MacBook Pro as Apple likes to keep their macs books under 100watts.


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diamond2156

Mmm I don’t think so but I expect it to be the best laptop chip.


fjonk

I severely doubt it. My MBP m1 is a huge disappointment which is marginally faster than my five year old lenovo p50. Add to that lack of support for multiple external monitors and(probably macos but who cares, I use apple laptops for the whole experience) chopping horrible scroll which is worse than firefox on linux I'd say the m1(without x) is meh.


Brogero

Hard disagree and that’s me who is coming from an i7 XPS 15. I have no idea what you are talking about and I seriously doubt you own an M1 MacBook anything. Even my brand new work computer with an i5 chugs in comparison to my m1 air.


fjonk

You seriously doubt? Why would you? The cpu in a laptop doesn't matter much if the cooling isn't good. Apple doesn't want good cooling so they made a chip that runs cooler, so far so good. But that's not the whole story. I use my laptops for 8-11 hours a day, I know how fast they are for my workload. And the m1 mbp has not proven to be worth praise. It's ok, but that's all.


Brogero

Chopping horrible scroll in web browser doesn’t happen that’s why. Also apple doesn’t want good cooling? What does that even mean?


fjonk

Oh really? Maybe you should search for people having problems with choppy scrolling before saying that. Apple doesn't want good cooling because apple wants thin laptops. Apple cooling has been crap for a long time but instead of fixing it they, and their supporters, have been blaming others. Just look at the 27 iMac. It has enough space for good cooling but instead of having good cooling it's shit. That's on apple, not intel, now amd, not anyone else.


diamond2156

No M1 can work in a fanless device see the iPad Pro and I have no issues with scrolling. It seems to me that you just want to complain. M1 is made for thin and light laptops and tablets. And also bad cooling does not cause choppy web browser it's a bad GPU that does and the M1 had a good GPU.


cultoftheilluminati

are you seriously reusing the old argument of macbooks heating up for M1 macs?


diamond2156

macOS does support multiple monitors it’s the M1 that doesn’t. My guess is that M1X will allow for more external monitors as that’s more oriented towards higher end Macs.


Haku219

>GPU. A13 and A14 weren’t huge updates and a few punches were traded if you put a fan or 4 on the back of a giant smartphone with a vapor chamber too and compared it to a SoC that fits in the 399 SE and the puny 12 mini, but they were better. I'm not really sure what you're saying here. Until the SD888 shit the bed, it was Qualcomm whose sustained performance almost matched peak performance so active cooling wouldn't change much. Whereas with Apple there was always a huge amount of throttling. The A14 GPU's sustained performance was only slightly better than the SD865 for example.


Edenz_

>it was Qualcomm whose sustained performance almost matched peak performance so active cooling wouldn't change much. Whereas with Apple there was always a huge amount of throttling. The A14 GPU's sustained performance was only slightly better than the SD865 for example. Wait what? So you're saying that Apple putting *more* performance on the table for short burst **and** having better sustained performance than the SD865 and 888 makes it worse? What Apple does with their GPU power management literallty gets you the most performance you can in the form factor: QC not allowing higher power states in pre-SD888 devices was wasted potential.


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Haku219

Phones with active cooling mainly existed for marketing like gamer chairs do, they didn't actually help much if at all. Because like I said, Qualcomm SoCs sustained performance was already close to peak performance. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16463/snapdragon-888-vs-exynos-2100-galaxy-s21-ultra/6 You don't even have to look at the names to see which phones are using the SD865 because their sustained performance is practically identical to their peak performance.


Bleekal

They need to do something about that notch good lord. I got an LG G8x as a temporary phone and having that tiny teardrop is SOO much better. I was intending on waiting for under display cameras to take off, but it looks like mainstream phones won't be getting those for another 2 years at least due to quality concerns, so pixel 6 here I come? If the iPhone could do something about that notch (finger print sensor anyone?), and add USB-C, I'd get one. Those are the only things keeping me from getting one now that they have high refresh screens.


iopq

ZTE Axon 30 is perfect other than the selfie picture quality. Which is why iPhone will never use it


JeffZoR1337

Honestly i'd rather they just added small bezels. I never liked the 100% screen goal. One of the things I liked so much about the Note 9, and my current phone. Especially if you also can add better front facing speakers as a result. It's the same thing with camera bumps for me, i wish they'd just fill them in (depending on the phone of course but you get the idea) and add more battery etc. in them! I guess i'm in the minority, but even the biggest and heaviest phones today i dont find to be remotely problemstic. A touch extra weight/thickness would do no harm IMO. Just my 2c tho on that part lol


PolyDipsoManiac

I like the notch. It’s way better than bezels or the hole-punch look. I still think the X is the most beautiful phone ever.


Bleekal

Other phones have shown that smaller notches look FAR better. At least in my opinion.


iopq

My punch hole is at the top, but there is a bezel at the bottom. I got worst of both worlds


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Bleekal

Totally. Most of the initial impressions from reviewers are saying that if you have any modern iPhone the new ones probably aren't worth it. I mean really what features have been added since like the 10 or the 10s that would compel someone to get the 13? Cameras are better sure, but the 10 still has a GOOD camera. USB-C with a holepunch and high refresh on all models would be absolutely stellar, and I think a lot of people who are on android and have never tried an iPhone would have a much easier time trying one out. I mean I'm in that group, I've never owned an iPhone for one reason or another and would totally try one if they fixed those few things.


x2040

From 2007 to 2015 I didn’t own a single iPhone. Then I started a job consulting on mobile development and had to use iPhones four hours a day every day for three years. I kept making excuses like iPhone only has 512 MB of RAM and you can’t change the default browser. But I still fell in love with it. Turns out flashing ROMs and “customization” isn’t really what makes a great mobile experience.


Bleekal

I agree. I'm not really into the flashing custom roms or anything, but I do like customizing my experience. I'm the same way on my desktop. I just know how I want things to work, and I can make that happen on android, but not on IOS. But I'd be willing to give it a shot if the hardware features were what I want.


skinlo

I use a iPhone SE 2020 for work and still find I like my old Nokia 8 more.


sbdw0c

That design looks absolutely terrible and is right up there with the square Apple watch


x2040

What the fuck? How?


sbdw0c

It's incredibly bland and has zero character to it. It's also technologically questionable — the camera bump is there to give space for the optics, not to be removed.


x2040

If you read the leaks the phone is much thicker and uses titanium to reduce weight and glass body to appear slimmer.


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sbdw0c

The difference is that the notch on an iPhone isn't only for the front camera, but for the entirety of the [Face ID array.](https://vamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Vamers-Technology-Face-ID-on-the-iPhone-X-is-fast-easy-to-use-and-seems-to-just-work-2.png)


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sbdw0c

The speaker is in the bezel now with the 13, but you've still got to fit the infrared camera, flood illuminator, selfie camera, and the dot projector into it. I personally love Face ID, since Touch ID has always been more of a miss than a hit with my fingers, especially during the summer.


x2040

I mean I’m happy to spend 10,000 words explaining four years of industrial design school teal you. But honestly there are principles like symmetry and design trade-offs that are more in depth than you’re making it sound.


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Roku6Kaemon

Inertia is a poor excuse for keeping lightning over USB-C.


Put_It_All_On_Blck

I'm skeptical of that render. As it turns the front the the iphone into looking like a modern Android flagship. Obviously it's huge improvement, but branding is more important to Apple than perfect design.


ji99lypu44

Is that why whenever i try to ytransfer pics from my phone to my pc its horribly unreliable and slow?? How is xferring pics from iphone to imacs?? Any better?


alc4pwned

Photos just sync automatically between iPhones and Macs, which I'm a huge fan of. It's probably still really slow otherwise.


the-worthless-one

i’m not buying another iphone until they use usb-c. if my current iphone dies or becomes unusable slow, so be it, i’m making the switch to android.


inventord

"The best camera" is extremely subjective. If you compared photos from the s21u and the iPhone 13 pro max, some would prefer one and some would prefer the other.


jreddit37

I’m guessing upgrading from a iPhone X is worth it?


Az1234er

If you're unhappy with picture quality or you have broken the screen, yeah. Otherwise not really


panix199

i don't think so


0z2yt

Why buy a phone every now and then for a marginally better camera when you can buy a pocket camera like the Sony RX100 once and it will be better than every phone camera by a land slide for the next 15 years?


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0z2yt

yeah but saying "the best camera" doesn't mean shit when it's 1% better than the last one and still sucks balls compared to a proper camera.


SpookyKG

Bc now you have to put that AND a phone in your pocket and that's awkward AF. People want a good camera with them at all times. People don't want to hold a separate camera at all times. At almost ANY time, honestly. That's an argument you could have made like 10 years ago - get in the now.


0z2yt

the now is stupid, if I know something worth taking a picture of I would rather have a proper camera and paying for a phone which is marginally better every two years but still sucks balls compared to a proper camera is stupid.


SpookyKG

Modern phones do not 'suck balls' in the 99% of use cases - taking photos and putting them on FB, instagram, or snapchat. Why are you coming from the 1% of other use cases and trying to pretend like the world should be like you?


iopq

Taking night time photos even with the latest iphone sucks. For your use cases it might be good, but not for everyone


MasterShiftposter

> Why are you coming from the 1% of other use cases The proposition here is a very mildly better phone camera compared to the phone camera you already have. See the original post in this chain: > Why buy a phone every now and then for a marginally better camera The argument here isn't about the average person, it's already framed in the context of someone dropping big money, often annually, on a very small change. If the camera is a big selling point to someone, then they either have more money than sense or they actually care about quality (in which case, they would be better served with a real camera). If you care about the quality of the camera/photos, you'll have a real camera on you. But this simple truth gets attacked here because most people here don't actually care about quality or photography, they care about meaningless specs they can use to hype themselves up for the next, unnecessary purchase.


sbdw0c

Because the best camera is the one you have with you; if it's a good camera, even better.


Trajan-

“Incredible batter life” until the next iOS update provides a program that drains it so you get the iPhone 14 with a “better battery life.”


Slectrum

Power button finger print reader, Lightning updated to usb 3 (cmon the iPads have had it for a while now) OR type C, notch removal, ProMotion display all on the form factor of the mini please.


bbarham99

Ahhhh yes the same talking points as the last 11 models of iPhone. Brilliant!


CravinM1

Follow the verge advice. Build a PC with them


Edenz_

Really interested to see the battery tests including how long you can stretch the device when ~~forced~~ capped ~~to sit~~ at 60Hz. Edit: I meant *capped* at 60hz not *locked.*


DucAdVeritatem

Why would you want to pin the refresh rate at 60hz?


Edenz_

Display is probably more power efficient.


DucAdVeritatem

I’m not sure I understand your response. I’ll try to be more clear: I’m confused why you want to see testing with the display somehow locked to 60hz (which isn’t even really possible with the iPhone) given that would be WORSE battery life than the results we already have. The current results reflect that the new iPhone uses a variable refresh rate display and dips the refresh rate as low as 10hz when static content is being displayed.


Edenz_

I meant capped at 60 not locked. Theres an option in accessibility settings (as per Dave2D's video) which lets you cap the refreshrate.