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Itchy-Suggestion

X1 Carbon, Thinkpad is the most supported platform for Gentoo Wiki?


TheWheez

I've got an X1 Yoga and it's great. I had some issues with the touchpad and the fingerprint reader, but the fact that they're shipping it with Ubuntu would tell me that it's no longer an issue with newer X1 devices


All_Japan

I just got my X1 Gen 9 the second week of October. i7-1165, 32gb ram, 512gb, UHD, Ubuntu. Originally when I ordered it in middle of August, they were saying delivery sometime in December. But managed to arrive early, I highly recommend it, I did move to EndeavourOS from Ubuntu after a couple weeks, mostly cause I wanted more from the hardware. I try to order extra ram to give the computer a long life as possible, since it is soldered. I code mostly on my machine as while and haven't found it to be lacking for anything.


ProfessorRekyl

Great insights I also think it might be worth to grab 32GB as it is soldered! Might be worth the wait for delivery, feels like better Linux-ready hardware compared to the XPS


RichieHHam

Huh? I'm a Thinkpad fan but this is pretty misleading. Dell have been shipping with Linux for years. From June, in German : https://www.heise.de/tests/Linux-Notebook-Dell-XPS-13-9310-mit-Ubuntu-Desktop-im-Test-6064002.html I could be corrected but xps series have been pretty Linux friendly. Frankly though, hell would freeze over before I took a Dell over a shiny new Thinkpad 😉


Cheeseblock27494356

> feels like better Linux-ready hardware compared to the XPS WTF? Do you realize Dell has been officially supporting and shipping Linux systems for over a decade and Lenovo finally just announced it a few months ago but only on limited systems and the X1 Carbon is NOT one of them. You have not done your homework or you are purposefully spewing lenovoshill FUD.


ProfessorRekyl

I am just worried about that Killer Wi-Fi AX500 Dell for some reason decided to put into the 32GB version but maybe I am overthinking. Drivers for Linux hard to find but seems to be include in latest versions of Ubuntu or Kernel. https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS-13-9310-WiFi-randomly-shuts-down-AX500-DBS/td-p/7775525/page/55


All_Japan

This is actually the second X1 in the house the other is a Gen 8. I have been waiting for along time to get myself one, fall for them when they started selling them with Linux preinstalled! So after 3 years I finally decided it was time and I was getting tired of being stuck on a dump MacBook after My desktop went to desktop heaven.


jcornuz

You might want to consider the keyboard also: Thinkpad keyboard are traditionally best in class (even if keyboards are better on some Thinkpad models). Also Thinkpads have the trackpoint (red pointer) - I will never buy a computer without one, but again, there was a time I didn't know how useful it is :)


xosellc

I gotta know, why is it useful?


btavy

Last time i changed my laptop i was asking myself the same question. I ended up finding a good deal on a xps9360 (about 4yrs ago) and going for it. It's a really solid option but looking back i should've gone for the X1 as the xps keyboard annoys the life out of me each time i use it without a dock. I'm also thinking about a replacement now, but this time i'm tempted to go for the Starbook MkV as it has better value for the money and it's easily reparable/upgradable.


sdflkjeroi342

The touchscreen alone would make me ditch the XPS 13. Additional weight, screen reflections, power consumption and general annoyance for no benefit (since you won't be using it). Performance wise I wouldn't expect much of a difference. I'd expect both to work well for your needs, although if those Docker containers are running CPU-heavy workloads I might opt for something with a bigger cooling system - say a Thinkpad T14.


ProfessorRekyl

Would you consider to change from 32GB to 16GB RAM for the Dell, and then get a FullHD without any touch? I do run a few Docker containers that sometimes burst CPU loads, MySQL/Mongo/RabbitMq/Redis and some PDF libs. I'll take a look at the T14 as well, thank you.


sdflkjeroi342

>Would you consider to change from 32GB to 16GB RAM for the Dell, and then get a FullHD without any touch? No, because the restriction to 16GB without touch is assinine and I wouldn't want to support Dell for it. But you can't really ask me - I'm a Thinkpad fanboy and personally would have picked the X1C9 in a heartbeat for the trackpoint alone :p As for 16GB in general: You're the only one that knows your average memory consumption... it really depends on your workloads. If you've been fine with 8GB until now, you might survive with 16GB for the next few years... but why chance it when you can easily afford to get 32GB? For my work laptop I went with a T15 for exactly this reason: 16GB of RAM are soldered and there's an empty DIMM slot so that I can upgrade to 32GB or 48GB down the road if necessary. The T14 would have the same advantage, as well as a better (bigger) cooling system than the XPS and X1C9. Weighs 1.5kg though...


ancientweasel

Check the backorder for both. I ended up going with the XPS13 because the X1 had an almost 4x longer lead time. I couldn't wait. But I am happy with my XPS13.


ProfessorRekyl

Thank you I sure will! Had a chat with Lenovo a few days ago and they could not say anything else then +6 weeks. Any recommendations about the AX500 that comes with 32GB RAM, ok or should I be worried? The reading online is most troublesome regarding driver support for the wifi.


ancientweasel

If it comes with linux there will be drivers for the wifi. They might not be packaged for every distro, but I bet Ubuntu, Fedora and Arch will have them. I believe you can order the Lenovo with Ubuntu or Fedora.


ProfessorRekyl

Great! Both options can be ordered with Ubuntu directly, nice to not even pay for a Win license.


ancientweasel

Sure is.


ancientweasel

if you have wifi troubles there is always something like this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008IFXQFU/ref=as_li_tl


grumpysysadmin

I have both models in the post up in my office, and the Dell shipped much faster. (I evaluate devices for my job) I really like the Lenovo, have the gen4 dock too, but their shipping time is SO long.


RaggaDruida

Here in Italy it is possible to select the 32gb of RAM without the UHD+ screen, so if you have contacts in other EU countries, with the easy of shipping, it may be worth it to check, specially if the price is lower... I'd go for the extra RAM tho', I have 12gb on my T440s and it is clearly not enough, I don't think 4gb extra would be such a big improvement!


RichieHHam

What are you running? I do have 32gb on my t14s but 16 on my x270 and T460 and rarely run into memory issues. That said, I'm not number crunching or running horrible java based ides much.. That said, more is better.


RaggaDruida

I do run FreeCAD ship module, virtual machines and GNU Octave a lot, plus a lot of Firefox tabs..


thefanum

I love my X1.


TheDunadan29

I'm a bit of a Lenovo/ThinkPad fanboy, so I would lean toward the ThinkPad. They are just solid machines and I've loved every ThinkPad I've owned. But on the other hand the XPS line gets great reviews so whichever one is cheapest?


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TheDunadan29

Just T series for me. I haven't been all that interested in the L line, either just specs were uninspiring or something. I always figured they were probably fine quality wise, but just never actually wanted one of those models. But I'll take note if I'm in the market and find a desk on one in the future.


cfsanderson

I was looking at the XPS as well but I'd rather run Pop!\_OS than Ubuntu. When I chatted with Dell support about installing other distros, they said it would void the warranty. Lenovo was fine with it so I'm looking at an X1. Sounds like you are happy with Ubuntu so that maybe isn't a consideration, just thought I'd mention it.


johnmayermaynot

Xps doesn't have the gen 4 SSD slot so it will be slower than the x1 in that department


A4orce84

Is it something that will really affect “real world” performance? Will you be able to really tell a difference?


johnmayermaynot

If you're copying large files you'll notice but xps will still be super fast just not as fast


ultratensai

I bought xps13 two months ago and it’s been great. I wanted to try X11 carbon or nano but it was much more expensive (almost 500AUD difference) with exact same spec.


ProfessorRekyl

Just had a chat with Dell support and got a quote for a XPS 13, 9310 with 32gb ram, 512gb HDD, Linux ubuntu and the full HD display! (this was not possible in their online configuration) Still the AX500 but the support ensured me it would be fine under Linux. Nice that they could provide a 32gb unit without the high res or touch which I don't really need. Estimated 4w delivery and a lot cheaper then the ThinkPad. I think that's the one if you don't think the AX500 will cause issues or that a UHD is worth it. I think the gain in battery and less work for that internal graphics is useful.


poschettino

My experience with Dell's "ready to ship" product was not stellar. I hope you get yours in time.


shredofdarkness

What have you decided? I've also been using an Ubuntu XPS 13 since 2015 with similar usage, so it was an easy decision to get a newer version of the same model, last year. But make sure you buy the service support (basically, extended warranty) next year: I had total hardware failure recently and I suspect it was due to the intensive use with plugged in external monitor. Have you considered getting a desktop (and perhaps a cheap XPS laptop) instead? That would be more ergonomic and reliable with big displays.


ProfessorRekyl

Not yet decided unfortunately. Dell can no longer offer the 32gb with Linux so I might have to grab a windows one and just reinstall. Lenovo more expensive and 6w+ delivery. Not yet sure what to pick! I have been considering to setup up remote work but need something mobile. Still rocking that old xps bit it is really time for an upgrade from that 8gb ram (and cpu..) !


shredofdarkness

I see. Not too late to choose a desktop then! At least that's what I'm going to go for next time. How mobile do you need to be? At least it's hard for me to imagine to do that kind of programming work on the go. The state university I work at had no problem providing a 32 GB used desktop the same day I requested it, plenty of used IT equipment around in big organisations usually. Then you can set up github and syncthing to work both at home and at the workplace etc..


Cheeseblock27494356

This is 100% the time of year to buy; you will get the best deals between now and Christmas. Lenovo laptops are fine but beware the Lenovoshill hypster tweens. Lenovo pays influencers to talk up their products. They are better than Dell in some ways, worse in others.


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whichever has a lan port