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slysonic7

and im sure OKC is good to have the cap space used so they are closer to the floor


Baker_TD_Maker

I think we're going from having like all the cap space to being close or in the luxury tax after the draft. Shai's new deal kicks in and we're still paying for Walker's contract as well. I could be misremembering though but I know that's why a lot of savvy cap folks around the Thunder said we wouldn't take on Tobias from the 76ers without them severely overpaying in assets because we would absolutely be in the luxury this upcoming season otherwise.


cowboygenius

We’re currently at $133M with holds for the draft picks included. Cap is $122M and the tax line is $149M


Ruut6

Just also noting that about $12M of that $133M are cap holds for players that have zero chance of being re-signed, like Norris Cole and Raymond Felton. Additionally the Thunder have a bunch of unguaranteed money for guys like Vit Krejci, Aaron Wiggins, Kenrich Williams, etc. Muscala also has a $3.5M team option. Realistic payroll for next year's Thunder roster right now is probably closer to $105M including Favors $10M which I'd think could be moved fairly easily.


ALilBitOGoldAnAPager

Raymond Felton is still one the league?????


GoldenBananas21

No, he hasn’t played since 2019. Idk why he still has a cap hold. Shit like this is what separates actually GM’s from fans


Ruut6

Lol what do you mean? You have a cap hold for the last team that had your salary for a few years even after you retire. The team just has to renounce it the second free agency starts.


dimiderv

The fuck you say?? Norris Cole???? Damn I haven't heard that name in a while


GoldenBananas21

Sam Presti would acquire some Taysom Hill void years if he could


depchfdwanetrobinson

Thunder will still probably be a good 20 million or more short of the luxury tax, including the Kemba contract. Luxury tax next year is set at 149,000,000 https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/OKC.html


moons_a_skull

Interesting, that still takes them out of the running from being a Tobias Harris destination.


KarrlMarrx

Actually, the Thunder still have a shit ton of cap space for the 21/22 season, so they could acquire him, but it would have to be before the calendar year rolls over, and then when the calendar year rolled over they'd instantly be a luxury tax team, so I don't know why they'd do it unless the 76ers we're adding some other good shit to the deal.


moons_a_skull

Maxey 👀


why_rob_y

Morey would have to be an idiot to use Maxey to get rid of the two years remaining Tobias' deal. It's almost over, if someone wants him without needing to be bribed much, sure, but otherwise just ride it out.


moons_a_skull

If it’s to open up a max cap slot for a star who knows, there’s not many teams that could absorb Tobias’ $40m though and if a team is sacrificing all their cap space for him they would need to be heavily incentivized. I don’t really buy the rumor that Morey is going to sign Lavine/Beal though, that’s not even what the team needs.


karl_hungas

Not how cap space works.


KarrlMarrx

Not getting into this argument again, but in this rare scenario, it is literally exactly how it fucking works. Scenario just doesn't come up often because teams rarely miss the salary floor. Edit: https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1513879007355355139?t=9goOW5PiNzu7vSE27GBZoA&s=19 Various articles on the web from reputable sources confirm this.


Ruut6

Not really. Could route Thad to a third team pretty easily. I know he's not good anymore but a $10m expiring can be valuable to a lot of playoff teams, or could be sent somewhere else that has cap space (along with taking on draft capital) Hypothetically something like Tobias (plus whatever else) went to OKC, Thad, Korkmaz and Springer plus a protected 1st to someone like Detroit, 2nd round pick to Philly


lasfinest

It’s wild that Kemba is on the Thunder books for $27.1m next year when he’s getting $9.1m from the Knicks. Give Kemba’s agent all the flowers for that deal!


JohnnyWinss

Isn't Shai's extension kicking in? That's a lot of money. Plus Dort, who should have fired his agent, is elegible for an extension I think


Tradeintodatop5

Dort is eligible for an extention but that would not start until after next season. Presti seems intent on letting Dort go in URFA next summer because he wants to books clean, so they know what the new CBA looks like.


JettBlackness

Not trading Dort on this contract just to let him go sounds like the most unpresti move possible. I find it very hard to believe a contender wouldn’t want fork over some picks purely based on contract alone


Youkn0wwhy1mh3r3

I think Presti just has a really high confidence in being able to negotiate an extension with Dort or replace his production with one of the plethora of draft picks.Dort has the same agent as Westbrook so Presti has had a working relationship with him for years (and also gave Westbrook the contract that the agent in question currently gets 3% of) and Dort loves Shai and the organization so I think a good contract for both sides is possible. Worst case scenario, though Dort might be my favorite player on this current thunder squad, guys like dort and herb Jones weren't high draft picks and the thunder got tons of not high draft picks


chantlernz

He'd fit in very nicely in Cleveland.


NavalEnthusiast

I don’t want to trade Dort because I’ve seen like half of all flairs on this sub say they want him on their team


KarrlMarrx

Counts towards next year, not this one. No issues with the floor next year.


JohnnyWinss

Isn't Shai's extension kicking in? That's a lot of money. Plus Dort, who should have fired his agent, is elegible for an extension I think


lopea182

“Oh look, free money”


Just-use-your-head

“Damn I can take $10 million or I can not take $10 million”


AddendumOneOf

He was the worst starter in the NBA for a month or two, but slowly started playing better. I think we gave him that OKC rejuvenation serum. Definitely a better player than DeAndre Jordan.


getrichpartyhard

As a starter he can struggle as an undersized 5. Matches up more favorably on the bench


chantlernz

Easy - OKC get Chet in the draft! Giddey, SGA, Dort, Bazley, Chet. Mann, Wiggins/Jerome, Poku/Williams, JRE/Roby, Favors. Oh yeah, and they also have two other FRPs.


ALilBitOGoldAnAPager

I want OKC to counter Toronto with their own super long boi lineup. SGA/Dort/Giddey/Poku/Holmgren.


Ruut6

"I can either take this $10 million or go play in Bulgaria. Let me get back to you guys in the morning"


vivaldindahood

He can just hire Miro to be his bodyguard.


WickedFierce1

I'm betting on this instead of the future.


TennisShoulder

I forgot Favors plays for OKC


pig_says_woo

hardly


TennisShoulder

Rather I should say is on the roster


so-cal_kid

Favors is only 30 years old. The dude has been playing like the old man at the Y his whole career


AcesOverPacific

Not his whole career, his knees became shot the season he went to NOLA and he’s never been the same since.


Fcivish4

You act as is his game wasn't straight out of the '90s his entire time on the Jazz.


AcesOverPacific

I didn't say that, I think playing 90's NBA ball and playing like "the old man at the Y his whole career" are two very different things.


Fcivish4

Ya, well what I meant was that he was never a very athletic or high flying player. He played low to the ground with simple, efficient post moves. The old man at the Y comparison is just that their game also tends to be very grounded and not flashy, but can be good.


dokupetan

You didn't watch him when he was young


Fcivish4

I've been watching the Jazz longer than Favors has been alive.


dokupetan

Then there's no excuse for that dumb take


Fcivish4

Mb, Favors was Kobe Junior before he went to Nola, I totally forgot.


Llama_Sandwich

This is one of those things I wouldn’t have believed without looking it up. Why is there a phenomenon where everyone thinks Favors is pushing 40? 😂


WeeabooDude24

Idk why but in NBA 2K, when he was on the Jazz I had this though in my head that he was a veteran. Only 30 years old? Thats wild. Get your money my guy.


Ramzaa_

So did we lmao


cjinl

I didn't even know he was still in the league, honestly.


Great_Chairman_Mao

I legit didn't even know he was still in the league.


otaitau

f5 season is open


americanbeaver

Will OKC end up under the salary floor again? Could be even more for Favors if that ends up being the case.


lil_extro_vert_

I think SGA kicks in this year right


LindseyCorporation

That's correct. They will not be under the floor. Next year when Kemba falls off, we may have some money to play with for real


chantlernz

Which could be perfect timing, right? Say you add Paolo Banchero and Jalen Duren or Mark Williams in this draft, that puts you at a point where you're probably ready to play with the money (and trade all those picks and extra young talent): Giddey / SGA / Dort / Banchero / Duren or Williams Jerome/Wiggins/Maledon / Mann / Poku / JRE / Roby


americanbeaver

Oh duh. They won't be under the floor again this year haha


rodriguezjames55

Maybe trade dort low picks favors and another contract for ayton


FUCKZAZA

that’s a really good fucking idea


JordanKneePoole

For OKC sure.


FUCKZAZA

yeah except phx seem ok with not paying and or trying soemthing new after that flame out dort, and some picks to acquire other talent is an idea, overpaying a big man maybe not a good move


JordanKneePoole

Suns offered Ayton a 4 year extension. The argument was over the 5th year. Anyway Favors is too washed to be an asset outside of salary matching.


FUCKZAZA

i don’t think the key to team building is necessarily in centers i was really let down by Ayton this playoffs, he seemed soft physically and mentally getting Dort, Favors and some firsts that can be used to acquire further talent seems to be a plausible plan and running back a bismack javale platoon the only other consideration imo is to run it back on an Ayton QO and make him a potential ufa at which point you give him the full full max next offseason and then let chris go and trade him i guess or you trade chris this off-season to a contender and have book and ayton as your cornerstones still i just am not sure they can run this version of the team back when they flamed out like this and have doubts about paying Ayton or any big man tbh that bag


JordanKneePoole

Why are the Suns adding a non performing contract to their roster while they are still contenders?


rodriguezjames55

Because Robert server is cheap ayton doesn’t look like he wants to come back and after that performance they need a shake up of some sort


JordanKneePoole

So why is he paying Favors to not play? Because he’s completely washed.


Tradeintodatop5

Not gonna happen. Ayton will not want to come to OKC. No free agent does.


rodriguezjames55

But he’s a restricted free agent he wants a max and PHX may want x amount of assets for him


longjohntanner

Big Lu Dort stay


chantlernz

We would like to express our interest in Big Lu Dort.


QuarantineTaratino

I didn't realize he was still in the league. Haven't seen him since the dream line up of Lebron Favors Gay Love Sessions


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beefJeRKy-LB

he's expiring so I can see someone take him on to get rid of a longer contract.


Ruut6

That's the Tobias Harris idea I think lol.


beefJeRKy-LB

but Tobias has 2 more years not just this year


Ruut6

lol isn't that exactly what you said? Favors has 1 more year, Tobias has 2. Philly would possibly take on Favors' contract to get off Tobias's contract (a longer one).


beefJeRKy-LB

ohh yeah but I don't know if OKC has other salary to throw in there for matching. it's more likely for someone like Duncan robinson I guess


Ruut6

I dove into it a little bit earlier - OKC's payroll next year is probably going to be around $105M including their FRP, so they'd probably have to include Jerome & Bazley as well I'm sure Morey and co are doing their due diligence


BabaBrody

Sam, come get Danny Green and a 2nd. Don't want to risk Favors being productive with Wembanyama on the line!


KarrlMarrx

Danny Green's contract is non-guaranteed for next year.


TatersTot

Exactly. Presti would waive Danny for salary relief


KarrlMarrx

Wait, you guys want Favors?


NephewChaps

Have you seen what they have to back up Embiid?


KarrlMarrx

Sure, but they can work on that later. Thought the rumor was they are trying to move Tobias to open up cap space for whoever player X is?


Adam0529

Which BTW, makes him tradable prior to the draft. Along with another 30M in cap space...


Eatingolivesoutofjar

Nets have an 11 million dollar trade exception they have to use...


Adam0529

Ha, that would probably be a good fit for the Nets.


Ruut6

The Thunder do not have cap space at the moment. At most pretty sure it'd be like $7-8M if they declined Muscala's option and waived a couple nonguaranteed contracts


Adam0529

Unless I'm not reading sportrac correctly, OKC rn have 30M in cap space. If they add Favors in a trade, it's 40M of trade power b4 the draft. That's a lot of pre FA capital that disappears on July 1st. Easily potentially the biggest pre draft trade splash ... I'm sure that cap is already assigned for someone/s....


Ruut6

They don't, you're missing one of (1) Kemba's waived contract which is $27M or (2) the cap holds for their first round picks which is about $14M. [Go here - this is the most accurate.](https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/OKC.html) Then add in about $14M for their three first round picks.


Adam0529

Bro, we are still in 2021/22... The fiscal calendar flips only on around July 1st (after the draft b4 FA)


Ruut6

you cannot sign free agents for next year right now using 2021/2022 cap space. I'm confused what you're talking about.


Adam0529

Pre draft trades using Cap Space. It is very unusual to hold so much _expiring_ unutilized cap space without using it for something. Whatever that something is, it's a big splash based on the sheer volume alone.


Ruut6

The trade deadline for the 2021-2022 NBA season has passed lol. I'm not sure I've ever heard of the scenario you're describing. The Thunder can't just trade for Tobias Harris into the 2021-2022 cap space now. They would have had to have done that by the deadline. My understanding is any trades made pre-draft or on draft night only take effect for the 2022-2023 season.


Adam0529

They literally did it last off season with Kemba - Horford. It's done frequently, just rarely with so much expiring open cap. Re - Tobi - good example. If they wanted to trade for Tobi, they would have to do it b4 July 1st. >My understanding is any trades made pre-draft or on draft night only take effect for the 2022-2023 season. No, and it utilizes 2021 /22 cap figures. That's sometimes an advantage. For example, last off season Cs got JRich this way once he opted into his player option, and they couldn't have done it in the 2021/22 season bc his salary jumped. Edit - there are limitations around it tho


Ruut6

> They literally did it last off season with Kemba - Horford. Kemba/Horford was matching salaries for the 2021-2022 season. That trade could have been made at any time > For example, last off season Cs got JRich this way once he opted into his player option Because Richardson's 2021-2022 salary ($12M) matched Tristan Thompson's 2021-2022 salary ($9M) who the Celtics traded out (plus Dunn's salary). That had nothing to do with trading into the Thunder's 2020-2021 cap space? lol


Astrophel_

>The prohibition on trades lasts until the day following the team's final game of the season [cbafaq](http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q104) The trades are immediate, but there are some additional restrictions compared to trades made before the deadline. I do think they have to use the following seasons guaranteed salary for the amount involved in a trade, but they can use current cap space. [Here's](https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/status/1493684288616861696) a tweet by The Athletic talking about what the Thunder could do with their cap space prior to the draft.


Ruut6

That is very interesting, I looked at the CBAfaq earlier but it didn't really specify. Seems to go against logic - being able to acquire players after the season into your previous season's cap, after the trade deadline, seems like a loophole. But yeah based on that Hollinger article sounds like that is allowed. That is very bizarre. Also my bad for saying you were wrong lol. I've read the CBAfaq a bunch of times and consider myself very up to date on everything NBA CBA related, I literally have never heard of this concept.


Cyanides_Of_March

Hell, I would, too. He's not gonna see another $10m year the rest of his career. Get it while you can.


LindseyCorporation

Surprise!!!


504090

He was the worst starter in the NBA for a month or two, but slowly started playing better. I think we gave him that OKC rejuvenation serum. Definitely a better player than DeAndre Jordan.


lakerswiz

This needed to happen so they can take back Westbrook from us 🤓


KarrlMarrx

As long as you've got picks to attach, you know Presti is game.


drjisftw

I know it was just business but I still feel like Favors was done dirty by the Jazz. He was with the team almost a decade and during the end of his tenure he was part of a double big lineup with Gobert. The league obviously pivoted away from such lineups and the Jazz dumped him to the Pelicans to free up cap space when they retooled their roster around Conley and Bojan. Favors ends up coming back next year to the Jazz and signs a decent bag for a backup center. He gets exploited by the Clippers in the playoffs and the Jazz realize that its better to use their cap space elsewhere so they dump Favors *again* to OKC and run with Hassan Whiteside on a vet min as Gobert's backup. Favors is kind of cooked now so it's obvious he'd go for his PO but I wish he was on a contender instead of the Thunder.


SaintsWing

No I disagree, Favors was fully aware and signed off on the Pels trade. The Jazz also over paid him on two separate occasions, especially the second contract which he signed after he was already washed.


ThundermifflinTFU

If it’s any consolation Sam always does his best to do right by the Vets. Look at the last few years - Worked with CP3 to get him to the Suns, Horford to get him to the Celts, Kembla to Knicks etc. plus he’s well liked in the locker room and valued by the young guys on the team. I’m sure it sucks to not see the floor as much as I’m sure he’d like, but his play style is pretty limiting in todays game and I’m sure the 10m makes that easier to swallow.


Dudedude88

they are probably disappointed about not playing but.... free money


PillsburyToasters

“It’s not the John Wall treatment, but it’ll do”


capnchuc

Ummm can the jazz trade for him again? Since he left the team all hates each other and is a tire fire.


Galbracj

Kyle Singler last played in the NBA in Feb 2018. Still on the cap sheet next year.


Chaz--

The Australian Derrick Favors


Affectionate_Year_14

Who gave him that contract ?


mgartaty

Jazz, of course


Affectionate_Year_14

Y’all had money to spend I see lol


mgartaty

He was making $16m/year when Jazz sent him to the Pelicans. I haven’t met a Jazz fan that doesn’t love him but he definitely had a decline as an athlete after injuries. He’s 30 but he plays even older.


HotdogIsaSandwitch

Honesty, Sixers could use him.


FuckNoNewNormal

Can’t wait for him to get bought out if the Thunder can’t find a good trade for him