By - rodriq04
We won’t know
Anything concrete for a few weeks. So until then I don’t believe what anyone says.
I have several relatives who almost died of Covid as well
So comparing almost dying to almost making money is the same thing? says what kind of a person you are
How old were they?
Because that is what is important...
I have a 99.998% chance of survival IF I get COVID.
That is important information to know.
It doesn't matter what your personal experiences is with it. the data it what is important for everyone.
You are fat with diabetes your risk is way higher lol
I could probably gain 10lb
And my survival rate from Covid is 99.998%
I think I have a higher chance of death choking on my cornflakes tomorrow morning than from Covid.
People probably have a higher chance of death from suicide or poor, sedentary lifestyle given all these restrictions.
Wait until you hear about this old virus called the flu.
My point is that lots of people die from whatever reason because there's 7b of us, what you say is not an argument.
Close to half a million people die of influenza every year, there's 4m~ severe cases a year as well.
Every disease kills tons of people, your argument is "lots of people die because 0.01% out of 7b is a lot" which is dumb.
Might as well stop driving since almost 1.5m people die every year from car accidents.
Who is saying fuck all of them? We are saying we know what his virus does and there is nothing to be afraid of anymore. It's time to move on.
But hey, keep on being afraid and virtue signaling.
So we need to shut the economy down everytime there's a case? We need to wear masks every single day? We need to completely upend our lives, again, for a virus that has a 99.9% survival rate?
So what are you saying? Is the only thing that will satisfy you is if everyone takes the vaccine? Is that what you’re beating around the bush about?
My survival rate is 99.998% it has nothing to do with anyone else.
everyone should understand there own personal risk to COVID
why do you get so triggered when you are told the high survival rate of COVID?
Because it doesn't effect me in the slightest.
Millions of people suffer from every disease/virus. Why are you not terrorized of the FLU? Its killed more then COVID.
if numbers of people who have died is what matters to you. Why would you even drive a car? Don't you know how many people die in car accidents a year?
As you can see, your way of viewing the problem is completely illogical, what is important is your personal risk factor. Which is likely extremely low unless you are old/fat.
Just like driving a car.
1.3 million people die a year from car accidents
Should i never drive my car again?
I think ill look at my personal risk to decide.
Oh its incredibly low. Guess ill keep driving my car eh?
Other people getting sick does not effect my health.
EmBrAcE tHe CoLlEcTiViSm
Get the vaccine, wear a mask and shut your arsch!
No one wears masks here in Florida :)
But i think you should continue wearing your indefinitely :)
Mask up Bitch!
Ohhhh, he's in Florida. It all makes sense now.
I will put a mask on your sharmuta sister you little pimmelgsicht!
What’s funny is how applicable this comment would apply to obesity, except multiplied by a factor of 10.
When your dealing with such a minute percentage, you realize that any other variable imposed on people is likely to outweigh that? People die all the time from tons of different things.
How many more suicides have we had? How many more people have shitter health because they don't outside or exercise as often? How about alcoholism or drug abuse? How many more people's health is negatively affected from poor economic conditions? The ripple effects of policy can have sweeping implications especially when something so survivable is at hand.
"Heart issues" were temporary and non life threatening and affecting a specific age group. Saying that without providing further details is probably fear mongering.
Down playing medical issues of the most important organ in our body seems idiotic... but hey you have it your way ill have it mine we shall both still end up getting vaccines.. ill just do it less often then you and we can check back 10 years down the line how it goes.
Again ive taken my vaccine.... but I think it very stupid to not know your own risks when taking vaccines... You must know about the emergency approval(which these vaccines were approved off of) you can find it off the FDA website- Also please check on any of the studies for boosters some of them didnt even have a control group what kind of science is that? lol
People tend to forget that these vaccines are brought to you by the same companies/scientists that had cancer causing footpoweder literally a year or so ago....But somehow we all need to blindly inject without during our own due diligence .
That's true. If it was life-threatening, we would have heard of mass hospitalizations and deaths. No such news so far, whether it is from South Africa, Europe or the other countries where it has spread
It hasn’t yet spread nearly enough for mass hospitalizations or deaths even if it was significantly more deadly.
But the fact that *nobody* with omicron has been hospitalized or died yet gives hope that it’s not more deadly, and possibly even less deadly (fingers crossed).
We just don't know yet. This reminds me of when people were saying it's just the flu in 2020. Others are freaking out and saying it's the end of the world. Personally I think international markets are going to get hit fairly hard, but the US will come out okay.
Hospitalisations have been climbing quite fast in SA though.
Most of them are unvaccinated though.
Yeah, but most South Africans are also unvaxxed, so the ratio is similar. 65 percent unvaccinated in hospitals, but around 60-70 percent unvaccinated total.
You mean like this?
It's too new for deaths to respond yet btw, covid deaths typically take 3 weeks post infection or longer. Most of the international cases so far have been in healthy vaccinated people and many of the South Africa ones are unvaccinated but young healthy people (college students) so.. seems premature to celebrate on those two groups not seeing many deaths yet.
When you find a variant it means it’s already been spreading for weeks or probably months. If the death rate didn’t change recently it’s unlikely it will now.
I think social unrest is building regardless of the severity. Politicians need to be very careful about more restrictions and lockdowns.
Yeah, cos the WHO have a great record on this kinda thing...
My feeling exactly.
Did everyone forget how WHO acted for the first 3 months of the Wuhan outbreak?
Biggest ball drop of all time.
Nobody remembers last week, of course they forgot...WHO is garbage.
Yeah. They really flubbed the Wuhan situation. How do you make a statement like "... no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of novel coronavirus".
What they said is that there was no evidence of human to human aerosol transmission, which was wrong but not as stupidly wrong. I'm not trying to excuse the WHO, though, they seem to be wrong in half the things they say.
Young and healthy is the exact opposite of America.... whoops!
> "Omicron has an unprecedented number of spike mutations, some of which are concerning for their potential impact on the trajectory of the pandemic," the WHO said. "The overall global risk related to the new variant of concern Omicron is assessed as very high."
There are a few factors that guarantee this will be minimized at least initially. 1) Countries don't like to be the origin of very deadly viruses, so they'll downplay it. 2) That South Africa outbreak started with college age people, where any variant is going to appear mild.
There's no way around waiting another week or two for further study and to see how many people die.
South Africa is not the Origin of the new variant. South Africa discovered the new variant. We have some of the best if not the best facilities, doctor's and scientists because of HIV and TB in the country that has run ramped for years. It could have come from anywhere in the world. Big difference that the journalists can't grasp correctly.
The two things are not mutually exclusive. Right now most of the community transmission is in small regions of SA. It's reasonable to assume the evolutionary origin is in that region - not that it matters really - the world is reacting on the basis of transmission not origin.
Additionally, most of the cases being found in other countries are linked to recent travel from SA not local community transmission.
The variant may or may not have evolved in a South African patient, but it seems undeniable at this point that they currently have the largest/most active community outbreak. That's why the majority of the international cases (so far) are in travelers with some link to South African travel. Yes it exists in other countries, but not at the same scale.
It's not discrimination against South Africa.
This is so important. The fear mongering over this variant is disgusting. South Africa did the world a huge favor by discovering this variant. And now all the leaders in the world are immediately shutting down borders, while the fragile redditors who brought us mass censorship and shutdowns are cheering them on. What’s going to happen the next variant that’s discovered? Countries are going to try to cover it up to prevent their own economic collapse. These actions set a bad precedent. We literally don’t know anything about this thing and people are already clamoring for more authoritarian action even though we know there are many mitigations in place, and that shutdowns and border closures just delay the inevitable. I don’t want anyone to get sick and die, but everyone needs to understand that we can’t bucket mitigation’s into “good” and “bad” - there are trade offs for all of it.
I for one applaud SA sequencing teams for acting so quickly in identifying this variant. More people need to recognize this.
The precautionary principle applies until more is known about this variant precisely because the stakes are so high. It's better to overreact then pullback as more is known, than risk undereacting at great cost in terms of lost time and opportunity.
Not quite true. We don't know the true impact of Omicron on the health care system yet. Death count is a lagging indicator by up to 1 month of infection. Usually it goes this like this: infection, around 1-2 weeks after that admitted to hospital, then 1-2 weeks after that the patients die. In addition, the Omicron symptoms right now are the same as the Delta variant symptoms in that they adversely affect older individuals more than younger individuals.
Right now we don't know shit about the variant, and any doctor or medical body saying conclusively one way or the other is dangerous.
Don't dig your heels in on anything, especially with how little information is out there now. The science takes a while and could change.
Damn was hoping for everyone to get hysterical again so I could buy cheap stocks.
I jumped the gun a little early and grabbed a pallet of toilet paper. Smh
did you buy from BJ's of Cosco need to know what stock to buy next
Just look up how the 1890 pandemic ended. Same shit.. Coronavirus mutated into the common cold. And everyone thought it was a Flu Pandemic for a century until recently. Same symptoms. Same case of elderly and sick mostly dying. Omicron is a glimmer of hope.
Nasdaq has erased most of Friday's losses. Guess it's time to start buying again
Uh, [there have absolutely been people hospitalized](https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-variant-drives-rise-in-covid-19-hospitalizations-in-south-africa-hot-spot-11638185629). It is too early to do anything except speculate.
„Ackchually, THERE ARE people who died swallowing pencils, you pencil-death denier!“
The Chinese real estate market is collapsing. They don't want to report on it because the scope of it is, truly, horrifying. Add this to a system over leveraged to the eyeballs, and that--not any COVID variant--will be the cause of a market collapse. Hang on right.
I’ve seen reporting on it.
There is. Yes. But nothing like the COVID variant, despite it being directly linkable to the markets.
I’ve seen reports. The fact that people are seriously looking at jangling of keys to look the other way is insane. China is going dark people. And we are about to seriously find out just how much money is gone. This does not look good.
It would if China let other people buy their debt, which they largely don't. That particular implosion is going to decimate Chinese real estate and financial institutions but will only affect most global economies indirectly (if cash to build and run factories in China dries up as a result).
Maybe not their debt, but definitely assets and stock of companies that are going to be worthless. There is a rumor Tether coin (crytpo market) is asset pegged to Chinese real estate, too. Who knows. But that's my 2c
The Chinese real estate market will have wide ranging ripples into other markets. Currently the shiny object has most looking the other way. Once the full scope of this issue becomes undeniable, we should see a correction, but I am just a dumb internet stranger so who knows, corruption and market manipulation could keep us in smooth waters for longer than expected.
When it comes to market effects it's not about the virus it's about what government restrictions will come about due to it. Even a mild strain can result in forceful policy. Got to wait and see what they do.
Ya just like what happened with the other 60 variants that weren’t dubbed as of concern.
There's more countries than America. Some have been very strict and will affect global economy and markets.
Did I say anything about America?
Look up how many variants of covid there are. It’s a lot. Variants of concern very few. Omicron likely should have never been dubbed a variant of concern so soon without more data. Highly suspicious and will probably be downgraded based on the mild symptoms update.
This is exactly what always happens with endemic viruses. They mutate to become less lethal, because it's better for the virus's spread to not kill the host. The only thing special about covid is our media and governmental response to it.
Over the long term this is correct. However over the short term, that’s not how evolution works.
It’s a random walk and desirable mutations crowd out undesirable ones in the long term.
That said, not enough data on omicron to form an educated opinion either way. South Africa’s population average age is less than half that of Western Europe. So while it might appear to be milder there, it could possibly hit Europe harder.
It’s also only sort of true, as the pressure on viruses that already don’t immediately or always show symptoms is going to be much, much lower than something like Ebola where onset of symptoms and infectiousness tend to coincide and the outcomes are much more dramatic and visible.
Things that spread better will spread. If becoming less lethal helps a virus spread, it will become less lethal, but while there are circumstances where that will be the case, it’s not necessarily always the case for every virus that it will be helpful, or that it out ways other costs that mutating in that direction might have.
Treating it like a rule, even over the long term, is a mistake.
While true in general, it’s less significant in viruses with an already low death rate and in viruses which kill you long after you have had a chance to infect others. Covid-19 is both of those.
It's not what "always happens".
Rabies? Smallpox? HIV for that matter?
If anything there's fewer examples of where this did happen than when it did not. Yes the 1918 Flu is a well known example but plenty of other diseases have been endemic for a long time and didn't become less lethal until we got them under control with vaccines and preventative measures.
For diseases that take significant time to kill, and can be spread while asymptomatic/presymptomatic or early on when symptoms are still mild, there's not much evolutionary pressure to become less fatal.
Yes, this is correct. Unfortunately you get downvoted, although this is a common fact in science. Reddit at its best.
The less lethal mutation theory doesn't work for covid because the evolutionary mechanism that typically causes such a mutation is non existent in covid. It kills far too late after exposure, meaning you've already transmitted it far before you die, if you even die at all.
We will see which variant will be successful in the end.
If you feel less sick, you will go out more.
If omicron has milder symptoms and is easier transmissible, if will be very likely the dominant variant.
This isn't to say that covid won't mutate to become less lethal, it's just that there is *no pressure* to do so. It could randomly go that way.
You just showed Reddit Dunning-Kruger at it's best.
FYI, mutations occur at random. Evolution is not a sentient being with desires and motives. Viruses can and do become deadlier. That's how we end up with "bad" flu seasons.
Over time, the average trend is toward less lethal, more contagious variants but this is a long-term effect as these variants slowly outcompete others.
Lol, so you say first im wrong and then you confirm my argument.
I never said that mutations follow a inner logic or intelligent design.
>They mutate to become less lethal, because it's better for the virus's spread to not kill the host.
...reading comprehension. They don't **only mutate to become less lethal.** They mutate randomly, and over years and years the less immediately lethal variants get outcompeted. You may think these are the same thing, but they certainly are not.
There all super mild for 99% of the population.
Long-term COVID exists and is way more widespread than 1% of the population.
If you’ve never been chronically ill, you might take your (and other’s) long-term health for granted.
All the variants have been mild, it’s been hysteria and politicking from the beginning.
Didn't the WHO just say this is a cause for "very serious concern"?
Who benefits from the hysteria?
The news media are having a field day. Everytime they say "not to panic", it's funny because they are saying that in a panicking tone.
meanwhile i have 4 confirmed cases in 1 week in my class when in the full past year it has been 1
I think it’s just the media companies trying to get ad revenue. But in all seriousness, the markets are fucked.
OK but what about long covid symptoms?